I've had it with people blaming this crisis on Bush, so here's a documented list of state and local failures
1. Bush called for the mandatory evacuation of everyone in New Orleans before the Governor or Mayor. http://www.nola.com/newsflash/louisiana/index.ssf?base/news-18/1125239940201382.xml&storylist=louisiana
"NEW ORLEANS (AP) — In the face of a catastrophic Hurricane Katrina, a mandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday for New Orleans by Mayor Ray Nagin.Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome.
The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already cancelled all flights.
Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding.
2. All pre-evacuation plans for New Orleans called for bussing and assistance to those who do not have private transportation. http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/EOPSupplement1a.pdf
"The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating." "Previous hurricanes evacuations in New Orleans were always voluntary, because so many people don't have the means of getting out. Some are too poor and there is always a French Quarter full of tourists who get caught."
http://junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_08_28.html#004752 found this gem
3. Keeping in mind this hurricane plan that was not followed, take a look at the picture of the 255 buses, which I picture yesterday at Junkyard blog. As http://junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_08_28.html#004752 says, "we count 255 buses in that one lot. That means at a capacity of 66 on board, 16,830 New Orleans residents could have been evacced out in one trip. Even if you have a lower capacity per bus, say 50 per bus, you're still getting nearly 13,000 out in one run. In an emergency mandatory evacuation, you could probably get away with putting more than 66 on each of those buses."
UPDATE: And GOOD LORD, he just found another couple hundred city buses (the other ones were yellow school buses) which would have saved another 18,000 or so on 1 trip alone.
4. No one has proof of what exactly caused the breaches of 3 canals, but 1 eye witness quoted on Fox News today speaking with said that he saw floating grain barges hit the 17th st. canal and cause that breach, not just flood waters. This is pure conjecture, but regardless, the breaches of the 17th st levee occurred at the newly reconstructed and restored part of the levee, not the old decrepit part. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050901corps,1,7189346.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true this gem via http://www.michellemalkin.com/
"WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said Thursday that a lack of funding for hurricane-protection projects around New Orleans did not contribute to the disastrous flooding that followed Hurricane Katrina.In a telephone interview with reporters, corps officials said that although portions of the flood-protection levees remain incomplete, the levees near Lake Pontchartrain that gave way--inundating much of the city--were completed and in good condition before the hurricane. However, they noted that the levees were designed for a Category 3 hurricane and couldn't handle the ferocious winds and raging waters from Hurricane Katrina, which was a Category 4 storm when it hit the coastline. The decision to build levees for a Category 3 hurricane was made decades ago based on a cost-benefit analysis."I don't see that the level of funding was really a contributing factor in this case," said Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, chief of engineers for the corps. "Had this project been fully complete, it is my opinion that based on the intensity of this storm that the flooding of the business district and the French Quarter would have still taken place."
In light of just the above evidence, no reasonable person can blame a poor response, nor re fault of the people left for days on the President. The fact is, he acted quickly to salvage the situation with the military when it had spiraled out of countrol because of the failures of local and state authorities.
gatewaypundit.blogspot.com has another list that is very well documented. Read it too please.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/09/president-bushs-actions-saved.html
posted by jp at 9/03/2005 11:00:00 PM
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"In light of just the above evidence, no reasonable person can blame a poor response, nor re fault of the people left for days on the President..."
That's the problem. No one is being reasonable about this. No one wants to be reasonable about this.
For the left, as Mickey Kaus points out, this is the best way they can critique the war in Iraq. They will not drop this nor will the MSM. Bush is in for it with this crowd and they will be merciless.
In all the tragedy of what passes for New Orleans at this moment of catastrophe, earnest souls fret for how to manage the unmanageable. Caring citizens band together and pool their resources to demonstrate that Americans who join together for the wretched places in the world, can likewise and more be counted on when American lives are threatened.
And yet, there are those who would put any honest appraisal of the situation up for pawn, in exchange for thirty pieces of political capital.
(More commentary at my post here.)
They're going to criticize, blame, back-bite and fault-find IN ORDER TO HURT President Bush?
So be it.
I, for one, will stand and refute as much as I can, factually and publicly, as fast as I can!
These sniping vultures are NOT America's friends!
"No! No! No! Lies!! All lies! Everytheeng Bush fault. Do no care about facts. Truth is empty. Water is not hurricane. There are no American troops at the airport. We are being killed by them all."-Badgad Bob
Just as long as the Army Corps of Engineers keeps hiding their budget numbers, to hide what the administration has been doing since 2000 to New Orleans ACE levee and drainage efforts.
Speaking of Bush hiding statistics, I wonder why, after three decades of the CDC publishing abortion and teen pregnancy numbers, they stopped? The last report was in 2000.
Amazing.
Bush was golfing on the 30th, right?
When the BBC noted the criticism of the government's slow response, Lt. Commander Kelly explained that NorthCom was ready to go well in advance of Katrina making landfall, but suggested the president didn't make the right call at the right time.
"Northcom started planning before the storm even hit. We were ready when it hit Florida, because, as you remember, it hit the bottom part of Florida, and then we were planning once it was pointed towards the Gulf Coast.
"So, what we did, we activated what we call 'defense coordinating officers' to work with the states to say, 'OK, what do you think you will need?' And we set up staging bases that could be started. We had the USS Bataan sailing almost behind the hurricane so once the hurricane made landfall, its search and rescue helicopters could be available almost immediately So, we had things ready. The only caveat is: we have to wait until the president authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can't just act in this fashion; we have to wait for the president to give us permission."
Apparently, that permission could have been given right away, but it wasn't. Bush was on vacation, sharing some cake with John McCain, and pretending to play some guitar.
That Lt. Commander Kelly? Rove is going to turn on the slime machine and "swiftboat" him this week.
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LCDR Kelly can state what he wants about the law, but there is more to it than what he is "quoted" as saying, presuming it was accurate. That is, the President cannot order FEDERAL troops into a state without the governor's permission or request, unless the state is in open insurrection against the government. Not the case. NORTHCOM has to sit and wait for POTUS, and POTUS has to wait for a governor.
sorry, who is LCDR Kelly ?
thx
jp
Gospace is lying.
You're citing the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which prevented such a deployment without the ceding of jurisdiction by the State. (This is of course, incorrect.
Since the creation of DHS the meaning of the Posse Comitatus Act has been stood on its head.
For what you say to be possible, explain this:
More Federal troops into New Orleans:
More active-duty troops are joining the Hurricane Katrina relief effort than originally planned, and a senior commander said Monday they likely will be needed for months, not weeks. Although the Pentagon said Saturday that 2,500 soldiers from the Army's 82nd Airborne Division were being dispatched to the New Orleans area, a spokeswoman for the division said Monday that 4,700 would be there by Tuesday. Also going are combat and support forces from the 1st Cavalry Division and 13th Corps Support Command at Fort Hood, Texas, plus about 2,000 Marines. The Pentagon originally said the 1st Cavalry was sending 2,700 soldiers, but division spokesman Capt. George Lewis said Monday that 1,700 were going, plus 100 support troops.
Thus the total for active-duty ground forces would be about 8,500, up from the 7,200 announced on Saturday. Twenty-one Navy ships also are participating, including the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman off the coast of Mississippi. The Air Force said Monday that its aircraft have flown more than 1,000 missions, including helicopter crews that have rescued more than 3,600 people and evacuation flights that have moved 2,600 medical patients.
So not only are national guard troops there, but regular Army, Navy and Air Force troops as well. Has Blanco signed over jurisdiction, as Republicans insist was required to deploy these troops? Well, no:
Blanco has refused to sign over control of the National Guard to the federal government and has turned to a Clinton administration official, former Federal Emergency Management Agency chief James Lee Witt, to help run relief efforts.
So, I guess Bush did not need to have Blanco sign over jurisidiction to deploy troops in New Orleans after all. Sort of surprising that gospace got that one wrong (READ "lied about it") isn't it? No it isn't.
Samantha,
First of all, you better make sure you're correct in your assertions before using the classic lefty chant "you're lying". This gave you away from the get-go.
I think you are jumping to the conclusion that signing over control to federal authorities is the same as requesting the assistance of them. Let's not be so simplistic. I haven't seen anyone link the status of each but you.
Additionally the National Guard is controlled by the state (read: governor) unless federalized for other national military duty.
Next time take a little more time than swallowing sound bites and reading excerpts through tainted viewpoints.
Sammy Small, I checked Aiko's sources. THis is Aiko's post on another thread here/
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Found it!
From the Department of Homeland Security Website:
In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.
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Bingo. Michael Chertoff had "primary responsibility" then on the emergency response to Hurricane Katrina, according to the Department of Homeland Security. What the locals do with local cops (totaling 1,100 cops) is NOT THE CRUX OF THE RELIEF EFFORT. FEMA and DHS are the crux.
It sounds like, from the DHS website then, that FEMA and DHS would take control automatically. As if there's no need to ask for the Governor to cede control or hand over the keys to anything.
From the mission of DHS, it sounds like they are to swoop in and kick butt like General Honore.
So it's a shame that the Governor still thinks she has some control. Because she doesn't. The FEDS do.
And here's the gripe. That the FEDS don't know that they were in control from the moment it was pronounced a disaster is shameful; that it took the feds days to get control of the situation is shocking; that they only really started trying after 3 days (of piddily local cops trying to keep order in anarchy), that the FEDS didn't send enough help is infuriating.
But now to see the FEDS say that it's the local cops' fault is B.S. The FEDS don't wait for local authority. They take over. Whether it's the FBI taking over a crime scene, or FEMA taking over a disaster relief operation. They rank. Period.
They just need a go ahead from the President. He needs nobody's permission. It says so in the Department of Homeland Security's protocol.
I posted a timeline of failures by state/local governments and blames from the Left... intertwined with the actions of the Bush admin.
http://texasrainmaker.blogspot.com/2005/09/hurricane-katrina-political-blame.html
Sure looks different from the picture the Left is trying to portray.
In light of this:
BUSH'S OWN PLAN: The 2004 National Response Plan explicitly states that, at times of any natural or manmade incident, including terrorism, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the population, infrastructure, environment, economy, national morale, and/or government functions, the federal government pre-empts local and state government in its responsibility to act quickly.
After 9/11, the administration wisely dispensed with the formalities of deferring to local authorities (which, of course, in this case had already issued a state of emergency as early as August 26). The attempt by the spinners to blame this on the obviously overwhelmed and incompetent local authorities, doesn't fit with the Bush administration's own rules.
Proof positive can be read here.
The outrage for the majority of America who believes that the Federal Government didn’t do it’s job well is therefore what the head of the Federal Government was doing. Or wasn’t doing.
For the timeline that most of America will study, now that we all know that the Federal Government is in charge of disasters, look here:
SUNDAY, August 28
(A region is hit with a massive Cat 4 hurricane.)
Meanwhile, Bush, Condi Rice, and Dick Cheney are all on vacation, and can't be bothered to interrupt it for the largest hurricane to hit the United States in generations. Especially since it had little to do with the "war on terror".
MONDAY, August 29
(While an entire region of the United States awakens underwater)
Bush says, "Let them eat cake". McCain says, "I'll bring the cake!"
TUESDAY, August 30
(Tuesday rolls around, and the world watches in horror as the true scope of the disaster becomes apparent)
Meanwhile, our very own Nero (fiddles) plays "pretend country star" while a whole region of his country drowns:
WEDNESDAY, August 31
(It has been three days since the hurricane hit, yet people are still stranded without a hint of an organized, competent federal response.)
Bush finally decides to show up for work, ends his five week vacation two or three days early (to great fanfare from the Bush acolytes), heads back to DC after he "surveys" the disaster zone:
FRIDAY, September 2
(While people are still in need of rescue and dying of dehydration and drowning.)
Bush grounds Coast Guard helicopters and pulls service members from duty to stand as backdrops to one of his photo ops.
Again. The Federal Government pulls rank. It is to assume primary responsibility for all efforts following a natural disaster catastrophe or terrorist attack. So showing a timeline of local authorities desperate actions while not exactly like posting a timeline of what was done to close the Dairy Queen on the corner of Grant and Mildrew, it’s still not telling real the story. The real failure of leadership.
f: for a far superior timeline, I suggest readers go here:
http://tinyurl.com/cy328
Samantha
...Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st...
Assume from whom? Based upon my experience in reading and deciphering federal government statutes, I would say that this means that FEMA is now under DHS as of 1 March (which you appear to agree with). This is simply an org chart in written form, with a generic mission statement. You should not read anything more into it. It does not specify for the Federal government to unilaterally take over control from State or Local authorities. It just says that DHS is responsible within the structure of the Fed government for the mission. Now maybe they can swing a takeover, but I'd bet that their overall guidelines are set by the State. I'll have to look around for more on that.
The other point to note with their mission statement is that there has to be a budget commensurate with what is expected. If Congress funds a certain level of readiness, that's what you get. Nothing is done for free. And anyone who is even slightly familiar with Federal bureaucracies knows how the wheels turn. Three to four days is "timely". To get instant response, the public must be willing to pay astronomical cost for a level of preparedness that will largely go to waste. Its just like paying insurance but rarely having to use it.
Anyway, I understand your overall concern. I just think you're dreaming if you think it will vastly improve with the current level of funding thrown at DHS. Not to say it can't get better, just that it will take $$$$$.
Reasonable? Yeah, as reasonable as OJ jurors. The accusations that are being thrown about have no basis in fact, logic, or reason, but that never stopped them before.
I was confused before but I think I get it now. Let me try to summarize, Bush:
-flattened the tires on those busses ensuring the poor could not leave town
-he also armed locals and made them shoot at rescue helos and he forced some people to loot necessities (eg big screen TV's) to divert police attention.
He did all of this because he is lazy and hates poor people. Looters, snipers, rapists, and anyone who stayed behind to "ride it out" are not responsible for their own behavior. Bush is to blame. Any Dems in position of power are similarly absolved of all responsibility for thier own actions. Esp the governor.
oh yeah....and Bush pulled the plug on Spicoli's 5-man rescue boat. Leaving him and his 3 posse and official photographer to run aground with only a red plastic cup.
1) FEMA is not the military. The President needs permission from a governor before he can send troops in to operate in any state. This is normal even for military excersises.
2) FEMA plugs into state and local resources. Unfortunately because of the degree of damage, these resources were not available. However, FEMA was there and was doing rescues long before anyone gives them credit for. However, they were being shot at. So FEMA cut off those rescues to protect their rescurers.
3)Bush might have been on vacation but he certainly is NEVER without communication and is always being briefed. Vacation does not mean off the job. What would you expect him to do? Fly down to NO and start searching for people himself? He was doing what he needed to be doing during one of his much needed vacations. Don't armchair quarterback. You don't know all that was going on or what it's like being in his shoes. Sure he's made some mistakes, but here... He asked the Governor to help. He begged to do what needed to be done. The Mayor and the Governor knew in advance what was going to happen. They'd been briefed. They swore they a handle on it. They let the buses sit while NO had the ABILITY to get people out of harm's way.
In an eye-opening interview with Major Garrett (Fox news correspondent)we can see that while the Fed govt is not lily white, we should not shift all of the blame onto the Feds, or onto the president. I think that the majority of conservatives out here on the blogosphere are ticked off, simply because it seems there are many who don't want to lay the blame anywhere else, regardless of any evidence to the contrary. Well, perhaps there is legislation in place to give the federal govt instant juristiction over FEMA, the National Guard and the military. But looking at this report, one gets the sense of something else going on.
Check out http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168799,00.html and you will find this information:
MAJOR GARRETT, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT:The Federal Emergency Management Agency, 2,500 full-time employees, 4,000 standby employees. A mission statement very simple: Prepare, respond, help recover, reduce risk.
How does it do it? By coordinating with state and local entities and other groups, the Salvation Army (search), Red Cross (search), dedicated to helping the needy when disaster strikes.
HUME: So FEMA is relatively — it isn’t very labor intensive. It mostly works through other agencies?
GARRETT: It works through other agencies. But it has been moved into the Department of Homeland Security. In this crisis, it is a bit a victim of its own bureaucratic boastfulness.
Earlier this year, the new national response plan, released by the Department of Homeland Security, promised this: Seamless integration of the federal government when an incident exceeds local and state capabilities. In the minds of many Americans, this one did, and FEMA, at least initially, in the minds of some, didn’t not respond enough.
HUME: Yes, and the word "seamless" doesn’t exactly spring to mind.
GARRETT: No, it does not.
HUME: But look, I mean, they’re down there. The Red Cross, for example, is there.
GARRETT: Standing by, ready.
HUME: Standing by, ready. Why didn’t FEMA send the Red Cross into New Orleans when we had all of those people there on that bridge overpass and elsewhere?
GARRETT: At the Superdome,at the convention center...
HUME: Lack of water, right. Why not?
GARRETT: First of all, no jurisdiction. FEMA works with the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, and other organizations, but it has no direct control to order them to go one place or the other.
Secondarily, the Red Cross was ready. I just got off the phone with one of their officials. They had a vanguard, Brit, of trucks with water, food, hygiene equipment, all sorts of things ready to go, where? To the Superdome and the convention center.
Why weren’t they there? The Louisiana Department of Homeland Security told them they could not go.
HUME: Now, this is the Louisiana — this isn’t the Louisiana branch of the federal Homeland Security? This is...
GARRETT: The state’s own agency devoted to the state’s homeland security. They told them, "You cannot go there."
Why? The Red Cross tells me that state agency in Louisiana said, "Look, we do not want to create a magnet for more to come to the Superdome or the convention center. We want to get them out."
So at the same time local officials were screaming, "Where is the food? Where is the water?" The Red Cross was standing by ready. The Louisiana Department of Homeland Security said, "You can’t go."
HUME: All right. FEMA does presumably, at some point, have some jurisdiction over some military forces. Of course, the first-responders there are the National Guard (search). Why didn’t FEMA send the National Guard in? You heard that cry from many people.
GARRETT: FEMA does not have jurisdictional control over any state’s National Guard. Only the governor does.
The governor, in this case, Kathleen Blanco, a Democrat, did use the Louisiana National Guard for some purposes, did not deploy them in massive numbers initially. And they were not used to move any of these relief organizations in. And they could have been, for the very same reason I talked about earlier. The state decided they didn’t want the relief organizations where the people needed it most, because they wanted those people to get out.
But even today, we know that Governor Blanco has now decided that a mandatory evacuation may not be necessarily after all. But we can go into that later.
GARRETT: So she says.
HUME: What about the use of, by her, of the National Guard to impose law and order during the early looting and all of that?
GARRETT: She had a choice, as I am told. She could have taken up the offer from FEMA to federalize all of the activities in Louisiana, meaning that FEMA would be in control of everything, not only law enforcement, but everything else. She declined to give them that authority.
So, essentially, FEMA was trapped between two bureaucracies. One, the Department of Homeland Security, where many of its decisions have to be at least reviewed and, in some cases, approved, and a recalcitrant state bureaucracy, who wasn’t going to give them the authority they needed to make things happen, among them the National Guard.
HUME: What about this evacuation problem? That clearly was something that New Orleans knew it faced to some extent.
GARRETT: And the city of Louisiana. They have a whole plan that contemplates dealing with an evacuation in the effect of a hurricane three, four or five. Their own plan says, "One hundred thousand residents minimum from the New Orleans area will have to be evacuated." This plan makes it clear...
HUME: You mean, that can’t get out on their own?
GARRETT: That these people will not have their own vehicles. Not only that, it stipulates that these people are disproportionately poor, sick, and in need of special transportation assistance.
And, Brit, I think in these circumstances, bureaucratic language is important. Let’s go to this. This is what the state says. "The Department of Health and Hospitals has the primary responsibility for providing medical coordination for all of the special-needs populations, i.e. hospital and nursing home patients, persons on home health care, elderly persons and other persons with physical or mental disabilities."
Brit, I don’t think you come up with a better description of the people we saw day in and day out at the Superdome and the convention center than this very population that the state’s own plan said needed to be transported to a safe place and provided services.
HUME: No plan for — and, apparently, no facility for doing that.
GARRETT: No facility for doing that. Not only that, those who reviewed the plans that the state put together before were critical of it. In 2002, the New Orleans Times-Picayune (search) had a whole story about this, saying, "No one believes the evacuation plans are possible, feasible, or will be carried out." They proved to be accurate.
HUME: It sounds as if the state will have much to answer for in the investigation coming before Congress, as well as the federal government.
GARRETT: It appears to be that.
HUME: All right. Major, thank you.
So, it looks like the blame can be placed in more than one camp. All I want to see is blame being fairly placed, instead of letting everyone except the federal government (and by that, I mean President George W.) completely off the hook. Yes the feds screwed up, but so did Mayor Nagin, Governor Blanco and apparently the Louisiana Dept of Homeland Security.
If the president actually had the authority to override the Mayor, Governor, etc., was he aware of that authority? And if he was aware of it, did anyone get the information to him that the Governor and the Louisiana Dept of Homeland Security was basically working against the relief effort?
Lots of blame to go around here, let's not let the prez hog it all....
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